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The ONS has discovered you get richer as you save
The Office of National Statistics, bless ‘em, has discovered that there are a load of rich gits in the South East of the country. Puzzles me why they are so surprised; after all the SE contains London which is home to 10% of the population of the country and the population density of the south east of the country is high because everybody wants to work in London, and also Britain is in a cold northern climate and most people don’t want to freeze either.

See that white stuff on the ground? Makes it a bit parky round these parts, which is one of the reasons Brits all cram down in the southern part of the country ![]()
It’s got the Grauniad’s dander up, because the top 10% of these rich gits have 40% of all the wealth. To be honest, what surprised me was that they didn’t have more of it, from the whole we are the 99% crowd I’d have expected 1% to have 99% of all the loot.
So how did these rich gits get rich? Looks like it has similarities to how anybody else does – they save. How do I know that? On page 6 Fig 6 there’s a chart
Well, I’ll be damned. Looks like they are saving money, pretty linearly over time. That’s the funny thing about saving, your total wealth goes up over time. So the Guardian can damn well put away the politics of jealousy for a moment.
By the way, I’m not in that top 10%. But their existence doesn’t upset me in the way it seems to upset the Grauniad. I am not in the lumpenprole category either, I am somewhere in the amorphous mass of punters who are neither fish nor flesh between the 50% mark and the top 10%.
It also reminded me the time a quarter of a century ago when I was in the Broadcasting House bar sinking Fullers E.S.B. listening to a bunch of tossers talking about how much the price of their houses had gone up. I was thinking of how I was then going to get on the Tube back to TV Centre, then get on my bike and cycle back to my one-room bedsit with the salt roound the perimeter to stop the black slugs invading. And like the massed hordes at housepricecrash I spent too much of my time thinking it all wasn’t fair. Because I didn’t allow for the fact that I was standing at the beginning of my working life. The young are rich in some ways, but not in money terms, because they haven’t accumulated wealth.
London was a fantastic place to be twenty-something. It’s a terrible place to build wealth as a twenty-something on a slightly-above-average wage because it’s a damned expensive place and there’s lots of stuff to spend money on. However, some of my colleagues did manage to buy houses in the city, but I was spending too much to be able to do that. There is a truth written in the lines of that graph that very few young-uns want to hear.
The way to become a rich git is to spend less than you earn. For a very long time – decades, not months…
Now where’s the fun it that, eh? There are other ways, but most of them are either illegal or some variant on that. It isn’t pre-ordained, because somewhere along the line you neet to get the clue, and you need to avoid some serious mistakes that are too easy to make early in life, in particular having children too early or with the wrong people. Look at the change in that graph for the householders just before retirement – about 35% of 55-64 year olds are in the top 10% wealth decile, compared to the vanishingly small percentage of the age group I was in when I was sinking that E.S.B.
That’s why the greybeards hold so much of the money. They’ve been putting it away, for years, and taking opportunities to make money using money which also get easier as you get older.
I am not in the 55-64 age group, but my earning years are now behind me. If you are young, your earning years still lie ahead. I am probably richer than you are at the moment, but I have little potential to increase, where you have a working life ahead of you. I have converted the kinetic energy of my human capital into the potential energy of financial and material capital. You have yet to do that, or you are in the process of doing it. It doesn’t look like that at the start- the young Ermine in the BH bar didn’t see the perspective, and so it looked not fair.
Unfortunately the world isn’t fair, we don’t start our working lives with the endowments of the capital we will build up over time. There are compensations – as a young man it was easy for me to look at the situation I was in and decide to leave the city of my birth for better prospects elsewhere. It would be harder for me to move now. The young have more opportunities to look for work even further afield now. I have never worked for an overseas employer, and yet that is not uncommon now, and if I were starting anew this would probably be the way to go for me.
Hmm, I think if the 1% owned 99% of the wealth then the Queen would not be a mere constitutional monarch, and you wouldn’t have a pension but rather a patch of carrots to tend and a job cleaning the sewers at the Big House.
Paying a mortgage is absolutely saving. And at the end of the term you have an *asset*. You’ll believe me one day!
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Presumably the wealth chart includes the value of people’s main residence they own? In which case much of that wealth will have arisen due to older people having bought houses decades ago.
Houses have increased in value astronomically since then, mainly due to high rates of inflation in the past, which also had the beneficial side effect of eroding mortgage balances quickly.
Other reasons why houses are so expensive now relative to average earnings include a failure to build enough of them relative to population (especially in the south) and the rise of two income households.
If I compare the economic situation that my Baby Boomer parents were born into to the opportunities for Generation X & Y, I also note:
- free university education and grants vs tuition fees and student debt today
- final salary pension schemes and early retirement ages vs working till you drop now
- ‘jobs for life’ vs high youth unemployment, scarcity of permanent jobs and widespread redundancies
And to top it all off I’m now subsidising their free prescriptions, free dental care, free bus travel and state pensions through taxation – but don’t expect any of these benefits will still be available when I retire!
This is probably starting to sound like a bit of a complainypants rant, and of course I accept that today’s young people have got things far easier in many ways (central heating, cheap consumer goods, and the advantages of the internet spring to mind).
However, when it comes to wealth it looks to me like anyone born before about 1970 could afford to make a vast number of mistakes and still come out relatively wealthy.
Whereas anyone reaching adulthood since the global financial crisis is going to see their opportunities for wealth creation a bit more limited.
Thanks for the encouragement
I’d be interested to know how you calculate the value of your house “in real terms” – is that compared to average wages or average prices?
My favourite example of how the two can be very different is a 4 bedroom detached house bought for £44,000 in 1983, and a Ferguson Video Recorder acquired at around the same time for £600.
About 25 years later the house was worth 10 times as much, and you could pick up an end of the line VCR for less than £60, i.e. one tenth of the earlier price.
To put it another way, the ratio of VCR prices to 4 bed detached house prices had increased one thousand-fold, from 73 to 7,333.
Although this is an extreme case, this is the kind of example that makes me believe it’s very difficult to come up with reliable “real terms” comparisons between prices from different eras.
PS – obviously that should read one hundred fold, not one thousand fold – feel free to correct my previous post and delete this one!
Well, I’ve now clicked over into the 55-64 group and I appear to be in the top 10%, but that’s mainly because I managed to stay in London, having gone through three property transactions since the 1980s which, financially, may be labelled in succession good – bad – good. Had I timed my transactions differently, they might have been bad – good – bad, with a resulting debt overhang much larger than actually is the case.
I have some sympathy with the “Pinched” generation, but in reality money is flowing back to the young from the Bank of Mum and Dad for house deposits etc., where this baby boomer wealth actually exists. Where it doesn’t (often the case), the wealth divide reveals itself, as usual, in non-generational form, i.e., the stark and ancient divide of haves and have-nots.
Hi Ermine,
Nice to hear from you again, back to your old self.
Here’s a link that you might enjoy as you like statistics.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/
Are we all in trouble? I don’t know, but things will get better for some and worse for others. Nothing new it is just life, life is and as never as been fair, you just have to make the best of your opportunities.
I am one of those nasty baby boomers, I never knew just how much I am being carried by the under 30’s? Then again I do get free prescriptions and bus passes, not to mention heating allowance. But I still pay taxes on my Company Pension and my State Pension. The only perk is I don’t pay NI contributions and only pay tax at 20%.
Then again, I did not go to University, but I did get a Degree in Electrical Engineering, via the OU, which I paid for myself.
Jobs for life, and Company Pension, Yes I got that, but I was lucky? I paid 6% of my £17.03 per week wage and then 6% of my earnings for some 40 years, my Company paid 12%. Into the same pot, so I was able to retire on 50% of my final salary.
In my 40 years, with the Company, I spent 12 years of 40 overseas. Which was very informative has well as well paid, it also gave me the time to do my OU Degree. Which in turn helped me to progress with my career with the Company.
I am not saying things are not tough now, but I have lived thru several recessions, MLR% rates at 14%. House price rises and crashes with negative equity. Indeed a new word entered the vocabulary, “Stagflation,” negative growth, with inflation at 20% and employment at 10%+
But I digress, a sentence for me sums it up, “ I become less anti establishment the more established I become.” I don’t want to come across as a cranky old so & so.
The link to a lecture by James D. Wolfenson of the World Bank, he sums up, how we got here, were we are now and his views of the outcome for the west, better then I can some it up, well worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6OLG9m0-qA
Here also is a link to Tullet Prebon you might find interesting.
http://www.tullettprebon.com/strategyinsights/index.aspx
Still Ermine enjoy your retirement, one thing you can do when retired is to make most of cheap holidays escaping the cold British Winter, I’ve just come back from Malta and next year we are going to Cyprus. I don’t know if your wife works, if not, think about some time away together while you still have your health and Strength. You can’t take your wealth with you and you can guarantee that HM Gov have their eyes on your wealth.
I remember a tale told by a Bishop on Financial Planning, you should try to plan your spending so that your final cheque covers your funeral expenses, and it bounces.
I’ll close now, All the best to you and your family for Christmas and have a happy and contented New Year.
Lupulco


Hmm, I agree with you in principle, of course, but I’m not sure that graph proves people are saving does it?
It could be the to-be-rich cohort begin earning vastly much more money as they get older, and saving the same (perhaps modest) percentage of the total greatly increases their wealth.
The 1%-ers might say it’s because by then they’ve gamed the system sufficiently to begin benefiting.
Tickles me the ONS discovering saving works, though. Of course in the public sector having a fat unfunded pension works wonders, too! (Caveat: Not sure if this is true of the ONS, but in a grumpy mood this morning.)